2T – Double Trouble ????

 

 Introduction

 

Witness the scene at the start of a Club outing when the riders of 2T powered machines prepare to start. Kick – Whrr – Silence: Kick – Whrr – Silence. The sequence is repeated numerous times until eventually they are rewarded with the sound  Kick – Whrr – Dm – Dmm – Dmmm – Vroom as the engine comes to life and starts to fire on both cylinders. At this point I should offer my apologies to 2T riders/owners. I promise I am not taking the proverbial P*** - just trying to convey in words what I have observed.

 

So what might be the cause of the reluctance of the engine to fire up after a couple of prods? Well, assuming that the engine is in  good mechanical condition and the carburation is as specified by Villiers, suspicion naturally falls on the electrics. This article looks at 2T electrics and was prompted when the Greeves 25DB owned by Ron Lewis exhibited the symptoms described above. Ron found that by converting the Greeves to battery/coil ignition he solved his starting problems, and as a bonus found that the performance of the bike was greatly improved. The only problem with his arrangement was that the battery was not being charged. Together we designed and installed a system to overcome this problem, and thought that other 2T owners might like to know of our experience.

 

The Conventional 2T Ignition System – energy transfer

 

Before delving into the complexities of a modification to provide a permanent battery/coil ignition system on the 2T, I believe it would be of use to consider the original system employed by Villiers.. Essentially the system works on the “energy transfer principle”. Internally the magneto has two Low Tension (LT) ignition source coils. These coils are connected to two Contact Breakers (CB) shunted by capacitors. When closed a CB will conduct the electrical energy being generated by an LT ignition source to earth. At or near the point of maximum energy generation by the LT ignition source coil the CB is opened by the ignition timing cam. The energy being generated in the LT ignition source coil is immediately transferred  to the primary of the High Tension (HT) ignition coil. This energy is then stepped up by  transformer action to a high voltage which is sufficient for a spark to jump across the spark plug points. Because the energy in the LT ignition source coil is transferred to the HT ignition coil when the CB points open, the system is termed energy transfer.  Note the essential difference between the systems – in the energy transfer system the CB is in parallel with the HT ignition coil primary whereas in a conventional coil ignition system the CB is connected in series with the HT ignition coil primary.

 

The obvious advantage of the energy transfer system is that a reasonable High Tension spark plug voltage can be generated without the need for a battery. However the level of voltage generated (and hence starting  performance) is essentially dictated by two main factors:

 

1         The speed of rotation of the engine/magneto, where the higher the engine speed the higher the  voltage which is generated (up to a finite maximum)

 

2         The CB must open at the time of maximum energy generation in the LT ignition source coil

 

Point 1 above reveals a potential reason for poor starting. When kick starting an engine the rpm is at its lowest, hence  the spark voltage generated by energy transfer is also low resulting in a “weak” spark.

 

Point 2 essentially means that ignition timing is very critical. The CB must be kept in good condition and Manufacturers recommendations on timing and CB gap must be followed closely to obtain and maintain correct operation of the system. A small error in the CB setting is more serious in the energy transfer system than in a conventional battery/coil system. Note also that the 2T Workshop Manual recommends that the ignition timing should be set with the cylinder heads and gaskets removed.

 

In addition  the electrical wiring between the LT ignition source coil and the HT ignition coil primary should be in good condition. Ideally a single wire in which there are no electrical connections (other than the terminations) is desirable. Additionally the HT lead from the HT ignition coil should be clean, electrically sound and with good electrical connections to the coil and plug. (If in doubt replace it with a new silicone rubber lead and spark plug cap) It goes without saying that the correct type of plug, gapped in accordance with Manufacturers recommendations must be used. However over a period of time there are other factors which can affect the electrical output of the system. These are ;

 

·                     The magneto may lose some of its magnetism

·                     Coils (both LT ignition source and HT ignition may develop internal short-circuits as insulation deteriorates

·                     Electrical terminations (including earth connections) may start to corrode and effectively impose a resistance to electrical current

 

So if you experience 2T starting problems and suspect the electrical system, it would be worthwhile checking out the system for possible sources of trouble as described above. If you remain dissatisfied with the system, then a conversion to a battery/coil ignition system is worth considering.

 

The battery/coil ignition system

 

The advantages of the battery/coil ignition system over the energy transfer system are:

 

·                     Maximum spark voltage is obtained at low rpm for starting purposes and remains reasonably consistent at normal running engine speed.

·                     Ignition timing and CB gap are less critical.

 

Obviously the installation of a battery/coil system will not rectify other possible electrical defects mentioned in the discussion of the energy transfer system. The system should therefore be fully checked for any potential deficiencies, including checks on and CB gap, to ensure that the benefits of a battery/coil system are realised.

 

 

Modifications to achieve a 6 volt battery/coil ignition system

 

The original Lucas and Miller electrical diagrams from the 2T Workshop Manual were used as the basis for the conversion to battery/coil ignition.. It should be noted however that some motorcycle manufacturers may not have employed the same colours of wires when assembling their machines.

 

All the existing components (with the exception of the old rectifier) are retained, but rewired to meet the demands of the new system. The only additional components required are  (1) two new solid state full-wave rectifiers, (2) an ignition switch and (3) electrical wiring of at least 7 amp rating. While the original HT ignition coils could be retained, replacement of these items by new HT ignition coils designed for coil ignition is recommended, particularly if starting has been a problem.

 

Essentially the modification requires some changes to be made to the connections of the LT ignition source and lighting coils located within the magneto. The resulting AC outputs from these coils are converted to DC by full-wave rectification. In daylight running the output from the LT ignition source coils is sufficient to provide enough power for coil ignition and a trickle charge to the battery. When the headlight is switched ON the additional power requirement is satisfied by the rectified output from the lighting coils. Should you wish to include it in your installation, I have shown a “Charge Boost Switch” in the diagram. The effect of this will be to provide a higher battery charging current during daytime running (ie with headlight OFF) should you need to give the battery a boost.

 

Note however that prolonged running in this condition is likely to cause battery overcharge with significant loss of electrolyte. The modification also includes provision for Emergency Starting in the event of a flat battery. By switching to Emergency the battery is disconnected and the full rectified output of both the LT ignition source coil and Lighting coils are used to supply power direct to the HT ignition coils.

 

The modification to the Lucas system and the Miller system are described. the only difference to the modification for the Miller system is in the connections to the Lighting switch. In both systems the wiring arrangements for the Headlight, Tail light, Pilot/Park light, Speedo light, Horn and Stop light remain unaltered from the original system. Additionally the new system can be operated on the existing 6 wires which connect the engines electrics to the frame, thus retaining the original electrical connector. Note that where an ammeter is fitted, the supply for the Horn and Stop light should be taken direct from the battery and not routed through this instrument. Additionally, although it is common for the Horn button to be incorporated in the Dip switch, for convenience in the diagrams it is shown as a separate item.

 

The changes which are necessary are summarised below. Access must be gained to the Armature plate on which is mounted  the Lighting coils and the LT ignition source coils. Wiring changes are required for both sets of coils.

 

Lighting Coils : The two lighting coils must be connected in parallel. This is achieved by disconnecting the Purple (Mauve) wire from the lower coil. Using a length of new wire, connect the coil terminal from which the Purple wire has been removed to the terminal on the upper coil to which is attached the Red wire. Remove the Yellow wire from the centre tap on the upper coil. The Black wire remains in the original position, but check that there is a connection from this terminal to the lower coil. The full AC output from the lighting coils is now obtained from the Red and Black wires.

 

LT ignition source coils : Both LT ignition source coils must be also connected in parallel. This is achieved as follows :

 

*      Disconnect and remove the links from both coils to the snap connectors connected to the Contact Breakers.

*      Remove the earth connection from both coils.

* `   Using lengths of new wire connect coils E1 and E2 in parallel insulating as necessary and using good solder joints.

*      Connect the Purple wire previously connected to the lower lighting coil to the top terminal on the coil E1.

*      Connect the Yellow wire previously connected to the top lighting coil to the bottom terminal on the coil E2.

 

The full AC output from the LT ignition source coils is now obtained from the Purple and Yellow wires.

 

Make the following disconnections:

 

Lucas System

*#   Disconnect the Green wire which runs from the original rectifier to Terminal 1 on the Lighting switch

*#   Disconnect the Red and Black wires from the original rectifier.

*      Remove and discard the original rectifier.

*#   Disconnect the Purple wire from the LH Lever of the Lighting switch.

*#   Disconnect the Yellow wire from Terminal 3 of the Lighting switch

*      Remove the earth connection from both HT ignition coils.

 

 

Miller System

*#    Disconnect the Red wire which runs from Lighting switch Terminal 2 to the engine electrical connector at the engine end ONLY.

*#    Disconnect the Purple (Mauve) wire from Terminal 3 of the Lighting switch.

*#    Disconnect the Yellow wire from Terminal 1 of the Lighting switch

*      Remove the earth connection from both HT ignition coils.

 

Leave these wires (#) in position as they will be reused in the new system.

 

 

Now for the reconnections. These are reasonably straightforward. Mount the solid state rectifiers on a bracket which will provide a sufficiently good heat sink and connect it to the frame. A suitable location may be under the seat. Using suitable electrical terminations, connect the Red and Black wires to the AC terminals on one of the rectifiers. You will note that I have given the system a negative Earth to bring the installation in line with modern practice. To achieve this configuration connect the negative terminal of the rectifier to earth (if you wish to retain the positive earth system , then the positive rectifier terminal should be connected to earth). Again, using suitable terminations connect the Purple and Yellow wires to the AC terminals on the second rectifier, and the negative to earth. Lengths of new wire should be used to connect the positive terminals of both rectifiers to the new Ignition On/Off/Emg switch. In the Lucas system, (depending on wire routing and ignition switch location), it should be possible to use the existing Green wire to make the connection between the new Ignition switch and the Lighting switch LH Lever. In the Miller system the Red wire (which was left connected to Lighting switch Terminal 2) can be used to provide the connection to the new Ignition switch. Note there is a new link required on the Lighting switch. In both systems, Lighting switch Terminal 1 should be linked with a length of new wire to Terminal 3.

 

Using a length of new wire connect the +ve terminal of the HT Ignition coils to the new Ignition switch. Note the linkages which are also required on the Ignition switch. The HT Ignition coils should be connected to the Contact Breakers using the existing Blue and Green wires. Take care to ensure that the Contact breaker for a specific cylinder is connected to the correct HT ignition coil. An Ignition Warning light in circuit will glow while the Ignition is ON and is recommended as a visual indication of the Ignition status. With these connections the modification is essentially complete, but make sure the Battery negative has been connected to earth if this configuration is being adopted.

 

Villiers diagrams show an ammeter in circuit. This need not be a permanent part of the installation, but it is essential for test purposes. Testing basically consists of running the engine and checking on the amount of current being delivered from the generator. When the engine is running at a speed which approximates to 25 – 30mph with lights OFF the ammeter should register a small charge (about half amp) Note that at tickover it will register a discharge. With the headlamp switched ON the ammeter should again register a small charging current  consistent with a reasonable road speed. Once confidence has been gained in the system, by taking the machine on a reasonably long run, the ammeter may be removed and replaced by a wire link.

 

In conclusion, while this article concentrates on the changes we made to our 2T engine, the principle could equally be adopted for single cylinder engines.

 

Best wishes and happy 2T-ing                                                                          Bill Drummond